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9-Mar-2005
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Bonsai pot or training pot?
Hi all.
It seems to be a very common suggestion on this site, in reguards to smaller plants, that they be put in the ground or a training pot until they've really thickened up. My question is, should all plants be grown in this way until they're ready for display, or can they be grown from scratch in bonsai pots? Is it just to speed up the whole process? Most nurseries/bonsai stores I've been to sell lots of little plants already in display pots with top dressing. Is that just to make the plant more attractive to the buyer. Should you then put it straight into the ground or a training pot, or just repot every 1-2 years into a larger one? Thanks in advance, Roosy. |
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9-Mar-2005
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It's important for me to point out that the results are not exactly the same, between field and container growth - as there is more than time at work.
Growing in the ground or a large container will never provide the fine branch ramification that can be achieved only through controlled growth in a container. Growing in a bonsai container will not provide the explosive growth that builds bulk with most species, at least within the lifetime of the grower. If you put a tree in the ground it should be with the intent to build a trunk and taper with a rootbase that is more impressive. Putting a tree in the ground is not a finishing step and is apt to spoil existing branching over time. Regards, Matt
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10-Mar-2005
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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I'm glad he pointed that out. I believe its the general approach that you grow a bonsai from the ground up, acually from below the ground up. starting with the roots, in a bigger pot, you can work on the lateral growth in a large pot, or in the ground. same with the trunk, to get taper on a young plant, you need space, or the tree needs space, rather. once the roots and trunk are to your liking, you can work on ramification, and finally foliage reduction if need be. however...
if a tree is properly trimmed while in a larger pot, branch ramification should be well on its way and after a couple years in a 'training pot' should be worked out nicely. crabs><> |
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10-Mar-2005
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Hi everyone,
the way I interpet growing is in Three Steps. 1) in the ground or larger and larger containers. Develop girth, nebari. 2) in a Training pot. to reducing root mass and ramification or roots and branches. 3) finially into a display (bonsai) pot. Does this make sense? walt |
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10-Mar-2005
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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My understanding as well my man, thats also why all my trees are in 7 gallon nursery pots.
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11-Mar-2005
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Roosy,
Seven years of a maple: Seven years ago I bought a maple that had a nice flair to the trunk. It was about 1 1/4 inches. At the time... I thought it was great. It went immediately into a low oval bonsai pot for two years. In these two years the branches grew, the trunk did not. I put the tree back into a five gallon plastic nursery container for three years and fertilized more heavily. The trunk grew to 2 1/2 inches. I put the tree back into the same bonsai pot for two years. At the time... I thought it was great. The branches have grown, the trunk has not. In about two to three weeks (will spring ever come to Ohio?) the tree is going back into a five gallon plastic nursery container for two years. Can I get the trunk to 3 1/2 inches? I'm gonna try. My lessons: I learned how to get a tree into a low oval I enjoyed the tree while it was in the bonsai pot I have been working on styling the entire time I saw for myself the difference between a small pot and a large container My suggestion: Put some in the ground, some in nursery containers, and some in bonsai pots. The biggest thing about bonsai pots at this stage of your journey (less than a year)...how to flatten a root mass, tie the tree into a pot so it's rock stable, work the soil with a chopstick so you don't leave air pockets, etc., etc., etc. Have fun. Deacon Jim |
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