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Old 18-Aug-2007   #11
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That's a nice tree. The trunk has a very nice taper and a nice subtle movement (I like subtle). I think it's a good find and has a lot of promise.
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Old 18-Aug-2007   #12
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Hi,

Does anyone know if the Japanese White Beech, Fagus crenata , goes into its autumn colours early. The leaves at the top of the tree seem to be turning orange and yellow. I know that this is the autumn colour, but given that its only 14 August, I thought that this might be a bit soon. I certainly hope it is only that and nothing more problematic.

Hope you don't mind the English spelling and phraseology, I think its nice to show the international nature of this community, even though I know that most are from the USA.

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Don't mind at all, the language is 'English' after all
Nothing annoys me more (ok, in reality heaps on things do) than when I install some software and the language options for English are 'American English' and 'International English'. How about 'English English'?!?! Anyway, sorry for my rant, but the whole world is not American so it's nice to see someone speaking the 'English' language the way it was intended, the 'English' way. I'm gonna get flamed aren't I? lol, I'm only mucking around, don't take it too seriously

As far as your question goes, I have not heard of them getting their autumn colour early, but that's not to say that it isn't so. Have you had unseasonally low temperatures that could be making the tree start early? How about light levels? Leaves start changing colours as they start photosynthesising (and relflecting) different wave lengths. I suppose that it could be possible that if you have had your tree in unnatural, or unseasonal light, the leaves could change early. Could be completely wrong though, but just some thoughts.
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Old 18-Aug-2007   #13
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Hi all,

The Deshojo is hollowed out at the bottom, which is a nice feature. Yes Orbit, I quite agree, I just made the point that I was using English spelling, so others would know that I can actually spell. Don't forget that the vast majority of people on this site are from the USA.

Summer didn't actually turn up in the UK this year, we've just had a couple of just about OK weeks, but now the weather is back to being rubbish. The main problem is that we've had a summer of torrential rain, and many parts of the country has had the worse flooding in living memory. In addition to all this water, I've actually been watering a lot, as I was told that beeches like a lot of water - though I now think even beeches can have too much of a good thing. Anyway, as I've mentioned before, the situation dosn't seen to have got any worse, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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Old 18-Aug-2007   #14
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I live in Albuquerque.Ihad this problem recently on a cherry,a buckeye,and a collected apple.The apple died. Here's an article I found on the web,that might be some help to you...


When Trees Drop Their Leaves or Develop Early Fall Color
By Doris Taylor
Plant Information Specialist
The Morton Arboretum
August 8, 2002

Trees will sometimes develop a premature fall color or drop leaves for no apparent reason.Trees that commonly exhibit this behavior include maple, tulip tree, birch, linden, and elm.This often causes alarm for homeowners as they wonder if this is a sign that their tree is dying.

A sudden drop of healthy leaves is sometimes hard to explain. It usually occurs during or shortly after a period of hot, dry weather following a very wet spring and lush growing conditions. Trees that are established during optimum growing conditions in spring may actually develop an over-
abundance of leaves.Then, as the tree comes under more stress from heat or dry periods, it is not able to maintain the excess foliage and an abrupt drop of leaves occurs. This is a natural effort by the tree to maintain a balance between root and top growth. Such leaf drop is not a sign of dying.

On the other hand, not all mid-summer leaf drop or early coloration is natural nor harmless.Newly planted trees or trees in poorly drained sites may have limited root development because of an overly wet spring.One of the first symptoms some trees show when root damage has occurred is leaf scorch.Dead brown-yellow spots develop on the leaves and as the scorch progresses, major portions of the leaf margins will brown and die. The plant is not able to take up enough moisture through the roots to keep the expanded leaves completely active and alive.

This same scorch may not be totally a result of root damage or lack of root growth. Anything that interferes with water movement in a plant, such as cankers, over-fertilization, borer damage, or disease can result in a similar symptom. Once the cause has been determined, cultural practices,
such as careful watering during drought periods, may lead to improved growth and plant recovery.

Some summer leaf drop may also be the result of a disease that infected leaves earlier in the season. Summers that follow wet springs often show more leaf drop from disease as the stress on damaged leaves continues. Crabapples, maples, oaks, and hawthorns have dropped leaves this
year in response to the fungal diseases apple scab, leaf spots, anthracnose and rust. If spots are noted on the leaves that have fallen, or are still on the tree, a thorough clean up of diseased leaves in the fall will help to reduce the problem next year. At this time,fungicide sprays are not
beneficial.

Trees under substantial stress, but not severely damaged, may develop premature fall color. Some maples and oaks respond this way. It is not normally a sign of death, but it is an indication that the tree is having difficulty and might need some extra attention.Check for signs of root or trunk disease or insect problems.

Another disease problem that causes premature discoloration or leaf drop is called verticillium wilt. Verticillium wilt is a disease of the vascular system of the plant,which causes blockage of the water conducting cells. Early stages begin slowly as only a few branches decline and drop
leaves.As damage becomes more severe or the stress on the tree increases, these branches may die totally and others begin to drop leaves. The process may take several years or be fairly abrupt.
There is no chemical control for the problem.
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Hi,

The problem, thats if it is a problem dosn't seem to be getting any worse since I stopped watering as much. Here's a couple of pics.
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Heres another one:
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The Deshojo is hollowed out at the bottom, which is a nice feature. Yes Orbit, I quite agree, I just made the point that I was using English spelling, so others would know that I can actually spell. Don't forget that the vast majority of people on this site are from the USA.
I know, I was just having bit of fun.

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Summer didn't actually turn up in the UK this year, we've just had a couple of just about OK weeks, but now the weather is back to being rubbish. The main problem is that we've had a summer of torrential rain, and many parts of the country has had the worse flooding in living memory. In addition to all this water, I've actually been watering a lot, as I was told that beeches like a lot of water - though I now think even beeches can have too much of a good thing. Anyway, as I've mentioned before, the situation dosn't seen to have got any worse, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Best wishes
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You can send some of that water our way if you like, our water restrictions keep getting worse and worse. As long as the problem isn't getting any worse then I guess you can wait and see. All the best with it.
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Dudes,

I have a group planting of 3 liquid amber orientalis that did the same thing about 2 weeks ago here in So Cal. Some of my yard trees have had there leaves yellowing and falling off. I think, because of this heat we have had now, that the trees have gone into stress. We have had only 3 inches of rain this last season and I have not watered as much. Plants will adapt to weather.


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I know, I was just having bit of fun.

You can send some of that water our way if you like, our water restrictions keep getting worse and worse. As long as the problem isn't getting any worse then I guess you can wait and see. All the best with it.
You would be welcome to it. We've been use to low amounts of rain, but this summer has certainly made up for it. On a serious note, I could do with finding someone who keeps Japanese beeches, but not many people seem to have these bonsai's. However, as I said,I feel the problem may be over. However, there is another problem. A part of the trunk as turned brown, where a branch has been cut right back to the trunk. Again not sure if this is a problem or not. I may start another thread with a pic.
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