The art thing ???

Will_Heath

Here's a couple excerpts from a common dictionary on art

Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.

Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty

By this I would say that the way to create art is simply to understand the basic principles, study them and then purposely apply them. It's actually pretty easy once you take that first step and admit that there is art in bonsai and that we all could do worse than to strive for it.

Will

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mike_p

Trying to answer questions that are almost metaphysical in nature makes me think of the stories about medieval theologians who were said to have debated questions such as how many angels could inhabit the point of a pin.
There really was no quantifiable answer, and when it comes to art, I think we're in the same fix.
If each individual can come up with an answer that works for her or him, then that is probably the correct answer. And, if that individual is a serious student, in a year that answer may no longer be satisfactory. And so we grow.

Contemplativly yours

Mike

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imyerhukleberry

Cosen...you're on to my point...

Now that you know you're grossed out by c*ap...can you tell the difference between dog c*ap and c*appy art?

clrosner

Ron's quote: "So what I want to know is how does one create art."

It is like the famous story, someone asked a New York Cabbie, "How to get to the Metropolitan of Art?"

The answer was, "Practice, Practice and more Practice!"

After forty years of being a professional Artist (not a Bonsai Professional), I wouldn't even attempt to answer Ron's question, without my tongue planted deeply into my cheek.

In my Opinion, the only person who could honestly answer that question, would be a professional Bonsai "craftsman", who has been doing the craft for many years. Even though, every piece he works on, would not be a work of art. The test of time has to come into the equation, since in painting the paintings that have survived for centuries may be considered works of art, that is how I would consider Bonsai as art. By the test of time!

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mkonig

My two pennys woth.

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty - Possibly

The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the senses - More Likely

Has anyone looked at contemporary art at the moment? Not much affecting the sense of beauty (in the traditional meaning) there.

Conscious arrangement does it for me.

Mike

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RonMartin(deceased)

Carl seems to have part ot the answer.

But I can tell that this is going down as another one of those "what is art " threads. But that is ok.
For the most part, however, the original question has been overlooked.
Here it is again.
"So what I want to know is how does one create art. I have heard on many occasions "that is not art". But to the best of my knowledge I don't think that I have ever heard "this is how one creates art"

A question that I have been pondering for a long time. Best answer I can come up with is:
Art is attempted when one try's to create something for an audience. Creating art is when one succeeds. That audience can be a lot of things. Hundreds of people all the way down to just oneself. Doesn't matter how many. If they like it then it is art.
Somewhere in there is probably the answer to what is art

Cosen

You made me think hard imyerhukleberry and i'm affraid i need to think longer.
The only obvious (if it is) thing that came to me instant was a picture take'n of the dog poo in such a way that it doesn't evoke the feeling or the rest of the picture iss so distracting or not pleasing that the message will not be sent.

Sorry hope i haven't dissapointed you to much

Gr. Dave

Ps also sorry Ron if i did go OT

mkonig

I think we are nearly there Ron

Art is when you start to create.......


Mike

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Alasdair

as the saying goes...

"beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

im sure this applys to art aswell, one persons art could be another persons firewood. its all down to personal taste.

How about this:
if we all expose what we feel is art in a thread, so that everyone has a base to compare to. Then, when you recieve criticism from someone (constructive or otherwise) you can look at their interpretation of good art, of a good tree. That way, everyone will have the base that the critic is working from in mind, thus allowing us all to see where he/she is coming from?

i'm sure this would help to avoid many an argument, we just all need to understand eachother.

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