another art thread ;o)

RonMartin(deceased)

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John Dixon

Ron,

I don't think the rules can apply equally because the material varies greatly in its ability to produce the result.

Hardest to easiest (based on material compatibility):

Real bonsai
Fake bonsai
Painting

Now based on TALENT, the gaps narrow but:

Real bonsai (hardest)
Painting
Fake bonsai (easiest)

Real bonsai has to be maintained and kept alive. Always something that separates from other art forms. Paintings require great skill, but little aftercare other than common sense. Fake bonsai are sometimes very nicely done, which implies some skill, but usually made of materials that will still be around long after our great, great, grandchildren.

All are art forms though.

Ron, stay inside. It's pretty close to Hades temperatures outside here, I would bet Lucifer himself is looking for ice cream in Summerville.

John

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John Dixon

Si vis pacem parabellum

Stay off the trails of others, that's where the booby-traps are.

RonMartin(deceased)

Last I checked it was only 99 degrees outside. Lucifer left town yesterday for a cooler climate ;o)

BTW thanks for the comments on my question.

John Dixon

People who make fun of us talking about the humidity making it bad have never experienced an outside sauna.

There is a lady who moved here from Chicago last November (and she got cold HERE last winter). She got her first "taste" of Southern heat yesterday, and it literally zapped her. She was completely exhausted from walking two blocks at midday, and she is about 23 and in good shape.

I'm going home in about an hour to cut some grass and sweat off about five pounds. If I can do that for about a week straight I'll be back to "fighting weight".

John

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John Dixon

Si vis pacem parabellum

Stay off the trails of others, that's where the booby-traps are.

RonMartin(deceased)

Sweating cools the body by evaporation. The higher the relative humidity in the surrounding air the less evaporation there will be.
Humidity is the big culprit.
Funny isn't it This started off as a art thread and has slid into a discussion on sweat. Oh well , at least there are no arguments going on yet. ;o)

RonMartin(deceased)

Surprised that no one but John has posted to this.
Personally I thought it was a good question. One that had a final answer of sorts. Oh well better luck next time.

BTW John your answer was about as close to correct that one can get

mkonig

Ron,
sorry to be a bit late on this but I had to think a bit about this one.

So here goes

Bonsai-
Requires a lot of craft skill, artistic talent (or an amazing amount of copying skill ) and an understanding of horticulture to achieve a convincing result. Couple this with the dogged persistence of trees to refuse to bud where you want, refusal to bend as much as you want ( followed by the ominous crack) and the reliance on growing conditions, soil mixtures, fertilising and watering routines, etc and the fact that a bonsai will require life long attendance and maintenace to keep it in shape. Mistakes take a long time to correct and may leave lasting scars that mar the final image.

Painting:
Requires craft skill and artistic talent (again just plain old copying skill will do) in order to portray a 3 dimensional object in a 2 dimensional medium. The desired image can be achieved in a relatively short time and does not need refinement once completed. "Artisic License" is easily employed to alter the image of the original object.

Sculpture:
Requires craft skill and artistic talent (or copying skill). A 3 d model of a 3 d object should be easily achieved and once completed needs no further refinement. "Artisic License" is easily employed to alter the image of the original object.

As to the principles, to portray a realistic image of a bonsai, the priciples of bonsai styling need to be applied to all three artforms. It is what makes a bonsai a bonsai.
A picture or sculpture of a bonsai with crossing branches, inverse taper or lacking nebari would look as odd as a real tree with these faults. I would however be much easier to correct these faults in a painting or sculpture than on a growing tree.

My two pennys worth

Mike

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TreeBay

Yes, absolutely.

Now remind me, what were the rules in painting?

1. Work with the grain, not against it
2. 90% of the result is in the preparation work
3. Don't rest your brush on top of the paint can
4. Always clean up when you're done

Regards,

Matt

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pootsie

Ron, I think that you shocked some people with this, and stumped the rest.

But what if I wrote a play about a person who sings songs about paintings of bonsai that represent trees in nature. What rules apply to that?



Next thing you know, we'll be dancing about architecture!

pootsie

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