Andy's Bonsai Palaver

RonMartin(deceased)

I see that our friend Andy Rutledge has been reading this forum again. He seems to have changed his tactics a bit though.
He no longer just puts a link to the thread that he is commenting about. He just swipes what he wants from the posting and adds "name withheld" at the bottom. Then uses the information in one of his commentaries.
Not all that moral but I guess legal.
His comments this time were surprisingly civil. Even made a bit of sense to me. Not really a bad article.
He does however need to watch the spelling in these commentaries a bit. Ron Martin is not spelled "name withheld" ;o)
No big deal though. I do need a bit of material for my news letter. I guess I'll just take Andy's commentary put what comments I think are necessary to it and then publish it. It will be ok I guess. I just have to change the way I spell Andy Rutledge. Name withheld seems to be the way to go ;o)
I do think that I will enjoy putting out my next newsletter. Looking forward to hearing Andy's comments on it. I am sure that he will find a copy of it somewhere out there in cyberspace. ;o)

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Carl_Bergstrom

Come on, Ron. Andy quoted one paragraph. You're equating that to taking an entire essay.

Two words: Fair use.

From the US copyright office:



More at http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
Worth reading if these sorts of things tend to get at your scratch spot.

-Carl

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TreeBay

Ron's beef was not with being quoted, but rather with being uncredited.

In your example, Carl, you cite the source of the paragraph and the paragraph itself cites another specific source for its content, which all seems fair.

Fair use may let you borrow materials, but you really should credit the source.

"12. Lack of credit, or improper credit, weighs against finding fair use. However, giving someone appropriate credit, will not, alone transform a "foul" use into a "fair use."

-Copyright Permission & Libel Handbook
http://copylaw.com/new_articles/fairuse.html

Regards,

Matt

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Carl_Bergstrom

Agreed.

Unless you're trying not to embarrass the source by making an example of his words. But yeah, I take your point.

Cheers,
Carl

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RonMartin(deceased)

Carl
I did say it was legal just not a nice thing to do.
How much of something has to be taken before it is a bad thing to do. Is a little bit bad not bad.
But if it will make you feel better I will only use one paragraph of Andy's essay.
You have written a lot of good things on this forum. A lot of it I really liked. Some of it I would really like to use in my articles.
Would I be ok if I went back through all the things you have posted and just took one paragraph and used it in any manner that suited me. It would be legal for me to do that.
Would you like to have at least a courtesy copy of what I used sent to you. If you just happened to find that paragraph in one of my articles while browsing through a magazine would it be ok with you.
If I did it would it be a moral thing to do. Or is it only ok if Andy does it.
I agree with you it is not a great wrong but it would still not be way a moral person would do things.

bonsaial1

To make these quotes in a debate about art... Andy was doing you a favor. Obviously some know more about the subject than you or I.

To quote someone from the forum: "think about it". ( Ron Martin)

Respectfully, Al

BTW... Big deal Andy is immoral, we all have excepted that. If Andy told you jump off a bridge would you do it? Come on this is not the sixth grade here. If you wish to take the moral highway, that is what I will remember about you

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RonMartin(deceased)

Why thank you Al. Nice of you to say that. I would always rather someone remember me as a moral person.
Have a great day. ;o)

Treebeard

What a bizarre situation we have here.

One person who has had a beef with others in the past for misuse of pictures. Another who has a beef with an absent third person because of the third person's beef over misuse of pictures. The first two being best of buddies and willing to defend the other come hell or high water. One of the first two being ready to defend the honour of the third despite the third's blatant dishonourable intentions. The other of the first two having fallen out in the past with the third over aforementioned misuse of pictures. Either of the first two being nasally discomforted by the arrival of a fourth on 'their patch'. A fifth person poking his nose in where its not wanted (that's me). Matt, you can be number 6, and don't tell me 'I'm not a number, I'm a free man"...

Just having fun,

Chris.

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RonMartin(deceased)

Now that if funny Chris. You do have a vivid and charming sense of humor.
Not sure though but, I don't think anyone mentioned pictures. That would have raised some eye brows. ;o)