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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Advice on shade cloth...
I'm in the process of building a shade frame for my trees. The options for shade cloth are more than what I expected. Home Depot sells one which claims to give "75% more shade" (green and light blue are available colors). My local nursery sells black cloth that blocks 50% of UV rays and other which blocks 70%.
As it is now, my trees are getting day-long sun without a break and the summer is approaching fast with temps reaching 80-90 degrees F at midday. What would be the best purchase? Thanks in advance. Jorge
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bonsaiTALK Master Chief
Join Date: Jan-2004
Location: South Texas
Country: U.S.A.
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No more than 50% shade,Jorge.73% to 90% is often used for foliage plants in order to acclimate to indoor condtions.
Let me add....it obviously depends on the plant variety .50% would be a general guideline.Some of my trees get no shade at all and do fine.And I'm 100 miles south of you.andy
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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You make a good point. I have some species that are thriving in full sun but others just seem to be struggling. Still, the way things are developing, we are in for a bonsai bake in my display area this coming July and AugustThanks!
Jorge
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Mike Watson
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The bonsai nursery that I frequent uses 50% and 70% in different areas for different trees. He uses the 50% for the "full sun" trees and 70% for the "partial shade". However, he has these pretty high up to allow good ventilation. Somewhere like 15-20'. I think this allows a lot more unfiltered sun in the earlier part of the day and then more protection at noon when things really get cooking! He also told me that if he had it to do over again that he would have used all 80%.
I bought some shade cloth at Lowe's that sounds like the stuff you saw at Home Depot. It says "75% more shade". More than WHAT is what I want to know! It's tan colored and cost 40 cents a foot (by about 5' wide). I put it up (about 6' high) but it was pretty shady under there so I took it back down and decided to wait until summer really kicks in. It's been cloudy and raining here in Austin a LOT this spring so I figured I'd give them all the sun they could take until later. Mike |
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Jorge,
we use 30% up north here in Arkansas, keep pines, junipers, maples, redwoods, everything under 30%. One of the 'benefits is that it helps to control loss from dessicating winds. We have one 30x20' panel of 60% shade over a large hoop house, it is just too dark for me- so, somewhere between 30 and 50%. I buy mine online, get it cut to the length and width needed. I saved a lttle money one year by not getting the edge tape put on, that was a mistake. we now always get the edge tape and eyelets. Just and FYI. John
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Thanks Mike and John for the input. It gets a little confusing when we talk percentages since 30% could mean allowing 70% of UV radiation in or blocking 70% from coming in.
John, do you mind sending me a PM with your contact on-line? I've been debating how to work the edges of this thing since I don't have the appropriate sewing equipment. Jorge
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Jorge,
these are the folks we have used the last couple of times. John http://www.greenhousemegastore.com/...?number=SC-BL30
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
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Thanks John!
Jorge
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Attila Soos
Join Date: Jan-2002
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John's advice is the best in my experience,
I use 30% shade as well, here in Southern California. It is perfect. 50% or 75% shade is really scary, it is hard to imagine that a sun-loving plant can survive that. For azaleas, I've seen 50% at Nuccio's azalea nursery. He uses a lattice, 2 inches wide, placed 2 inches apart. Theoretically this would correspond to 50%, but if placed very high, it actually allows more than 50% sun. That's because the light is reflected several times between the ground and the lattice. |
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bonsaiTALK Master Craftsman
Join Date: Apr-2006
Location: Lakeland - Florida
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That is old school Attila. I know the concept of shade cloth is easier to deal with but the version of lattice spacing you mention as well as other variables can be a better option that plain old shade cloth. For instance if you orient 2" wide boards 2" apart placed flat or parallel to the ground with the spaces running east to west you get a completely different amount of sun than if you do the spaces running north to south. The coolest one I saw had what appeared to be 1x6 lumber at a 35 to 40 degree angle. The openings faced due east so morning sun was allowed in these "blinds" but noon and later sun was effectively blocked from coming in all but the slightest gap created with the spacing of the boards. Perhaps too complicated for most people but effectively allows varying amounts of sun in, and if done properly only the good sun (morning sun). Thought it was worth adding to your latice comment.
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