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Old 8-Nov-2001   #1
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how long for seeds to start growing...???

I bought a mini-bonsai plant kit... that was over a month ago and i did all the right things to plant the seeds... how long does it normally take for the seeds to start growing... i dunno if im just not patient enough.. someone give me some advice
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Old 8-Nov-2001   #2
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Re: how long for seeds to start growing...???

Do not be discouraged, two things come to mind. first most seeds sprout in spring. Second the success of the bonsai from seed kits are packed and stored and displaied for who knows how long. It may be doomed befor you ever get to water it. I know that I scooped my first maple seedling up from under a land scape tree at the local mall. I used an ice cream spoon and put the seedling in the sunday cup that I had just finished eating. This was the first of thousands of bonsai that I care for. If your seeds do not come up just find more plants. In california elms and maples come up under the landscape trees like weeds. You would be supprised at what you can come up with. Be incoraged there is a lifetimes worth of information and techniques to learn and a world of plants and trees to collect. Have fun.
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Re: how long for seeds to start growing...???

Hi William,

If you're in the northern hemisphere and planted the seeds in fall, there is a good chance they won't germinate outdoors until spring. Seeds have a certain amount of logic built-in. If the germinate in late fall they would still be tender when winter hits.

Once conditions are right (moisture and warmth mainly) it should just be a matter of a few weeks.

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Re: how long for seeds to start growing...???

If I remember right those mini bonsai kits can be two types, one with red wood, bluer cedar, austrailian pepper tree, and black pines, the other is a small box that come with one oof three seeds, hyssop, rosemarie, and another that I cannot find any more. I had one with hyssop (got the kit for its planter =P ) I decided to try the seeds, they grew pretty fast, but then again, died just as fast, pending on the seed and conditions you may get faster growth or slower, you might want to try to use some bottom heat, and let them be indoor. As for the other kits, I had all 4 types, the pepper tree never sprouted, the black pine shot up like 18 of 18 seedlings, the spruce ended up molding (cold stratification part in firdge, my mothers tree, she way over watered it in the, only told her to keep it moist and should be fine) the other, I don't know how big the redwood seeds are but I looked for seeds and found none. So, if they don't grow, look for something else, I was just out at red robin with my wife and out by this oak where they have all this ivy was a nice little sappling, about 12 inches high with oak looking leaves that are also 3 pronged not 5 or 7 like normal oak that are also only about 2 inches big at most, thought it was poison oak, but I have no rash yet. So... just look out and about, you may find osme cool stuff.
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Re: how long for seeds to start growing...???

William,
* When we do seeds we talk about success in terms of how many seeds sown wil germinate per 100. *Many seed companies list these percentages. *To start say 5 or 10 seeds just don't give you you very good odds , ya know...
* If I could go back in time and tell my self something it would be don't spend a couple of years dinking around with seeds! *Get some good bonsai books and find a good old fashioned nursery you can hang out in. *Use tried and true bonsai type material from nursery stock, train it in nursery containers and buy alot and have fun. *Don't spend alot on finished trees or inported junk from taiwan, republic of china!
* Now do the right thing...
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And in the meantime you can start the seeds, and 20 years later when you are done with the nursery stock, you will have more.
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Re: how long for seeds to start growing...???

Seeds cuttings root cuttings airlayerings grafting seperations, do it all and you will always have material to work on. Material to traid in your bonsai club, material to traid to your local bonsai nursery. This is how you learn what you can expect your plants to do. And by the way seeds do not take twenty years. When you see that short squatie shohin black pine at the show and you want one you had better know how to do seedling cuttings because that is how this stile of black pine is created. Most great shohin are airlayerings. Many great stiles are set as cuttings. If you want a perfict ring of roots on a great zelecova broom stile tree you will have to do eather an airlayering or cutting. The point is You can't get everything from nursery stock. Great bonsai for the most part is grown to be bonsai from the beganing. I know that there are exceptions, but not as many as you will be lead to beleave.
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