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"Grounding" tropicals in colder climates

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Old 25-Feb-2008   #1
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Question "Grounding" tropicals in colder climates

Hi guys,

Curious what the consensus is (if there is one) for beefing up a tropical (ficus toolittle) in colder climates (Michigan). About 6 months out of the year, the weather is too cold to have this little ficus in the ground outside. Has anyone ever done an indoor grow box? It seems to me it would be very difficult to give an appropriate amount of natural light, unless I put the indoor growth box next to a south facing window AND michigan weather cleared up a bit more from October to May.

Could I just get a significantly larger pot and reap similar benefits to the practice of sticking it in the ground?

Does anyone have any input on how many lumens for what duration of time would be necessary to replicate a growing season indoors for these tropicals in Michigan? (I know this is not a good solution but if I can help things along by supplementing the natural window light with additional light fixtures, I would consider it).

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Old 25-Feb-2008   #2
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The very general rule for tropical is NOT below 50°F. That means inside during the cold weather. Supplemental lighting is recommended for best growth during the short daylight hours of winter.
Check into the indoor forum for massive amounts of info.
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The very general rule for tropical is NOT below 50°F. That means inside during the cold weather. Supplemental lighting is recommended for best growth during the short daylight hours of winter.
Check into the indoor forum for massive amounts of info.
Thanks - I'll check that forum out. I should have done a better job searching before posting, but I kept trying different variations of grounding, stick in ground, grow box, ficus, michigan, and didn't get the strings I wanted.
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Sticking a tree in a pot/box significantly larger than it was in before will not get you the results your looking for. The soil will stay too wet and the trees' roots could rot. Instead you you should scale up the pot every year during the heat of the summer. Ficus too little being a dwarf is also slower growing compared to a regular Benjamin ficus. Tropicals do benefit from a domarcy also- so you'll do better by giving them some rest. By doing so you'll be rewarded with more growth in the summer. In the winter I trim them heavly and cut all med & large leaves in half. This helps build ramification and the openess discourages scale and other pests. I also stop fertilizing from nov thru march.
See http://www.bonsaihunk.8m.com/ , Jerry has some articles on light and is a top source for indoor growing info. You'll see in one of the articles the difference between a flourescent & a MH bulb. I upgraded to MH 4 years ago and would never go back.
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During nice days of summer place your tropical outside. Introduce them slowly to the sun. I read on a post that as soon you're cutting the heating indoors place your ficus outside.

Personnaly I try to put the tropicals outside as soon temperatures are over 15°C during the day and they are overnighting indoors and again the next day if possible.

I was always wondering what would happen to ground the tree for several month and then to bring it back inside. Maybe try with some cuttings first. This is for sure touching the roots twice but if the tree is growing very well it might support it. (some folks are repotting twice their ficus a year in tropical climate)

This year I'm experiencing to place some trees in sieves. For sure it's not very practical for watering inside (getting water everywhere). You might found sieves in garden centers in the pond department or in your kitchen but for that you might require your wife approval first.

I've read a post where a bresilian guy was putting the tree in a sieve as soon the roots are showing up through the holes, he puts the sieve in a bigger sieve full of strong fertilizer. The roots are attracted by the potential food but they are getting burnt as soon they reach too much of fertilizer. This is stimulating the plant to generate more roots that are getting burnt and so on. Like that he improves some trees with a huge growth on the root system and when roots of trees are growing a lot then the entire tree is growing very fast. He placed trees for one or two years and he got as result so much roots that the sieve has been destroyed by the strength of the roots. (This is a technique he learnt from japanese living in Bresilia and doing bonsaïs)

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