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Great discussion and it points up what somebody in the chat room said recently: If you want successful bonsai, grow what grows well in your area. I don't think that means neccessarily native plants, but it does mean if you can't grow it outside in the garden or inside as a house plant, it will probably go on the somewhat difficult or difficult list. In my deserty, dry climate Azleas, Rhodedendruns, Cypress (even Hinoki Cypress) are very difficult. I recently mentioned to a respected nursery person that I had picked up a wonderful hinoki cypress to make into bonsai, but that it was dying, inch by inch. She laughed!! She said if I keep it in the shade with just a little sun, mist it several times a day and keep the watering just right it might grow here! I put that in the Very Difficult category.
Easy: Junipers, pine (which is strange in light of the discussion about pines, but maybe it's because we have forests of them and they even pop up wild in the garden. That's not to say they are easy to style!), ficus, bouganvillea. My summary: if you can grow it in the house as a house plant or in the yard...easy. If you can't... the faster they die in the house or yard, the further onto the difficult list they go. |
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Join Date: Oct-2001
Location: So-Cal, US of A
Country: America The Beautiful
USDA Zone: Zone 9-10
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Good topic and very important for beginners. So many get discouraged because their leptospermum or something didnt make it. Don't start with the most difficult start with easy one my friends!
Southern California: Good 1. Juniper- Foemina, nana,prostrata,san jose,sargents(kishu,itoigawa)Californica. 2. Elm- Seiju,hokaido,chinese, 3. Olive- European,small leafed variety looks best ,little ollie for fruit 4. Japanese black pine- grows like crazy, tons of information on its cultivation 5. Ficus- small leaved bennys,nerifolia,nitida,retusa, 6. Bald Cypress- swamp,pond, or montazuma 7.Liquidamer- orientalis especially. 8. gingko- easy 9.wisteria- Grow like weeds 10. Pomegranite- Real easy, good fruiter, great flower 11 True ceders- Atlas,libiani, brevifolia, deodar Hard 1 Spruce- any 2. Hemlock-Any 3 Cryptomeria- any 4. Fir- Any 5.White pine- Any 6. chaemacyparis- any 7. Rhododendron-any 8- ...Im thinking... |
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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Serissa's i feel are bad for beginners...i have two and am a beginner, and its so frustrating trying to keep it healthy...
I wish the trees would talk back to me...j/k -jacob |
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They're talking, Jaco, you just need to learn the lingo!
Regards, Matt
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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lol
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I have moded it and reposted it down below.
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Trees that I'm finding very easy in my area include:
Hophornbeam (Ostrya virginiana) Sugarberry, or Southern Hackberry (Celtis laevageta) Winged Elm (Ulmus alata) Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana) Black Cherry (Prunus serotina) Chickasaw Plum (Prunus angustifolia) Peach (Prunus persica) Amur Maple (Acer ginella) Juniper (J. procumbens "Nana" nd "Green Mound" Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica) Virginia Creeper (Parthenociscus Cinquifolia) Crepe myrtle Burning bush (Euonymous alatus) Slightly more difficult have been: Black Gum (Nyssa sylvatica) Washington Hawthorne (Crataegus phaenopyrum) Eastern Red Cedar (J. virginiana) Shortleaf Pine (P. echinata) Privet (Ligustrum vulgaris) Fred |
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bonsaiTALK Craftsman
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Very easy for beginners
Mulberry.
They're nearly impossible to kill.
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That looks like a good compilation, Heathcliff, thanks!
I know Black Pine was mentioned as "easy to grow," but I would never recommend it to a beginner. Here are some of the reasons: It doesn't tolerate overwatering, candle pruning is an acquired skill, all operations need to be coordinated against a seasonal calendar, and it doesn't accept pruning without regard to existing buds.
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Ok, Here it is. It took me a while and my head hurts but it looks good!
DIFFICULT FOR BEGINNERS Azalea* - Need acid soil and will die if they dry out a little. Too wet and they rot. Black Gum - (Nyssa sylvatica) Ceiba Pentandra - slow grower, and this is a headache tree... it won't develop small leaves, so well; it won't make it different than blooming style. But it can live for centuries... Chaemacyparis - any Cryptomeria - any Cypress* Eastern Red Cedar - (J. virginiana) Eucalyptus Fir – Any Ginko - They are real touchy to watering and tend to throw away shoots for no apparent reason. Hemlock - Any Hinoki Cypress* J-black pine - will survives and tolerates the heat. doesn't tolerate over watering, candle pruning is an acquired skill, all operations need to be coordinated against a seasonal calendar, and it doesn't accept pruning without regard to existing buds. J-white Pine J-mountain maple - requires shade and protection from dry winds Manzanita Oak - They hate over watering. Pines - Require perfect drainage and some advanced cultivation. Privet - (Ligustrum vulgaris) Rhododendron* - any Shortleaf Pine - (P. echinata) Spruce - any Washington Hawthorne - (Crataegus phaenopyrum) White pine - Any *In a hot dry climate BAD CHOICES IN GENERAL Fukien Tea - Fickly (can work) Palms - With the exception of Sago Palm, which is kind of cute actually, it’s a lost cause. You might as well display a pineapple as an accent planting. I've been battling a Mexican Fan Palm for 10 years or so. Leaf size reduced to about 1/2, but it still looks funny to me. Serissa Tea - Fickly (can work) True Cypress - Leylandi & Italian Cypress. No real cultivation problems, I just don't think these make good bonsai in general. Willow - I'm sure someone out there has a nice willow tree. I'd like to see it Walnut - I'm sure someone out there has a nice willow tree. I'd like to see it *Any other "nut tree" with big compound leaves, with the possible exception of a Chinese Pistache, which is the only tree around here with reliable fall color EASY FOR BEGINNERS Amur Maple - (Acer ginella) Bahuina - they grow like weed... they grow so fast that I had troubles of root bound in about 3 months... well, but they are forgiving trees... they will grow from nothing, but the other con, is that they will hardly make it in a different style than cascade... Bald cypress - do well in the heat but are kept in water. swamp, pond, or Montezuma Black Cherry - (Prunus serotina) Bouganvillia Burning bush - (Euonymous alatus) Celtis Maple - will tolerates the heat as well but can be a little fussy about water and fertilizer Chinese Elm - Very good in many ways Chickasaw Plum - (Prunus angustifolia) Crepe myrtle Cryptomeria - Nice-looking tree, easy to style. Relatively forgiving. Elm - Seiju, Hokkaido, Chinese, European Olive - small leafed variety looks best, little ollie for fruit Ficus - popular "indoor" bonsai. Small leaved Bennys, nerifolia, nitida, retusa, Gingko - easy Hornbeam - these are slow growing and tend to be a bit more expensive. Trident Maple Hophornbeam - (Ostrya virginiana) Japanese Honeysuckle - (Lonicera japonica) Japanese maples - good in Seattle, bad in Phoenix. Isn’t hard to start with, but remember not to give it to much fertilizer. Juniper - the "perfect" bonsai conifer. Stays green even when it's dead. On the downside, it stays green even when it's dead! This is a high light tree and will usually not do well inside. Foemina, nana, prostrata, San Jose, sergeants (kishu, itoigawa) Californica. (J. procumbens "Nana" and "Green Mound") Liquidamer - orientalis especially. Montezuma Cypress - does well in the heat but is kept in water Mulberry - Impossible to kill. Olive - I doesn’t know how they cope in the snow, but nothing else seems to worry them.... Peach - (Prunus persica) Persimmon - (Diospyros virginiana) Pomegranate - Real easy, good fruiter, great flower Saju Elm Sugarberry or Southern Hackberry - (Celtis laevageta) Trident Maple - will tolerates the heat as well but can be a little fussy about water and fertilizer True cedars - Atlas, libiani, brevifolia, and deodar Virginia Creeper - (Parthenociscus Cinquifol0ia) Winged Elm - (Ulmus alata) Wisteria - Grow like weeds Zelkova - love full sun and heat SOME RELATIVELY EASY FLOWERING BONSAI: Crabapple Hawthorn Cotoneaster
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