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Old 17-Jul-2002   #11
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Great discussion and it points up what somebody in the chat room said recently: If you want successful bonsai, grow what grows well in your area. I don't think that means neccessarily native plants, but it does mean if you can't grow it outside in the garden or inside as a house plant, it will probably go on the somewhat difficult or difficult list. In my deserty, dry climate Azleas, Rhodedendruns, Cypress (even Hinoki Cypress) are very difficult. I recently mentioned to a respected nursery person that I had picked up a wonderful hinoki cypress to make into bonsai, but that it was dying, inch by inch. She laughed!! She said if I keep it in the shade with just a little sun, mist it several times a day and keep the watering just right it might grow here! I put that in the Very Difficult category.

Easy: Junipers, pine (which is strange in light of the discussion about pines, but maybe it's because we have forests of them and they even pop up wild in the garden. That's not to say they are easy to style!), ficus, bouganvillea.

My summary: if you can grow it in the house as a house plant or in the yard...easy. If you can't... the faster they die in the house or yard, the further onto the difficult list they go.
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Old 17-Jul-2002   #12
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Good topic and very important for beginners. So many get discouraged because their leptospermum or something didnt make it. Don't start with the most difficult start with easy one my friends!

Southern California:

Good

1. Juniper- Foemina, nana,prostrata,san jose,sargents(kishu,itoigawa)Californica.
2. Elm- Seiju,hokaido,chinese,
3. Olive- European,small leafed variety looks best ,little ollie for fruit
4. Japanese black pine- grows like crazy, tons of information on its cultivation
5. Ficus- small leaved bennys,nerifolia,nitida,retusa,
6. Bald Cypress- swamp,pond, or montazuma
7.Liquidamer- orientalis especially.
8. gingko- easy
9.wisteria- Grow like weeds
10. Pomegranite- Real easy, good fruiter, great flower
11 True ceders- Atlas,libiani, brevifolia, deodar


Hard
1 Spruce- any
2. Hemlock-Any
3 Cryptomeria- any
4. Fir- Any
5.White pine- Any
6. chaemacyparis- any
7. Rhododendron-any
8- ...Im thinking...
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Serissa's i feel are bad for beginners...i have two and am a beginner, and its so frustrating trying to keep it healthy...

I wish the trees would talk back to me...j/k

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They're talking, Jaco, you just need to learn the lingo!

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I have moded it and reposted it down below.
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Old 13-Aug-2003   #17
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Trees that I'm finding very easy in my area include:
Hophornbeam (Ostrya virginiana)
Sugarberry, or Southern Hackberry (Celtis laevageta)
Winged Elm (Ulmus alata)
Persimmon (Diospyros virginiana)
Black Cherry (Prunus serotina)
Chickasaw Plum (Prunus angustifolia)
Peach (Prunus persica)
Amur Maple (Acer ginella)
Juniper (J. procumbens "Nana" nd "Green Mound"
Japanese Honeysuckle (Lonicera japonica)
Virginia Creeper (Parthenociscus Cinquifolia)
Crepe myrtle
Burning bush (Euonymous alatus)

Slightly more difficult have been:
Black Gum (Nyssa sylvatica)
Washington Hawthorne (Crataegus phaenopyrum)
Eastern Red Cedar (J. virginiana)
Shortleaf Pine (P. echinata)
Privet (Ligustrum vulgaris)

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Very easy for beginners

Mulberry.

They're nearly impossible to kill.
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That looks like a good compilation, Heathcliff, thanks!

I know Black Pine was mentioned as "easy to grow," but I would never recommend it to a beginner. Here are some of the reasons:

It doesn't tolerate overwatering, candle pruning is an acquired skill, all operations need to be coordinated against a seasonal calendar, and it doesn't accept pruning without regard to existing buds.
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Ok, Here it is. It took me a while and my head hurts but it looks good!

DIFFICULT FOR BEGINNERS

Azalea* - Need acid soil and will die if they dry out a little. Too wet and they rot.
Black Gum - (Nyssa sylvatica)
Ceiba Pentandra - slow grower, and this is a headache tree... it won't develop small leaves, so well; it won't make it different than blooming style. But it can live for centuries...
Chaemacyparis - any
Cryptomeria - any
Cypress*
Eastern Red Cedar - (J. virginiana)
Eucalyptus
Fir – Any
Ginko - They are real touchy to watering and tend to throw away shoots for no apparent reason.
Hemlock - Any
Hinoki Cypress*
J-black pine - will survives and tolerates the heat. doesn't tolerate over watering, candle pruning is an acquired skill, all operations need to be coordinated against a seasonal calendar, and it doesn't accept pruning without regard to existing buds.
J-white Pine
J-mountain maple - requires shade and protection from dry winds
Manzanita
Oak - They hate over watering.
Pines - Require perfect drainage and some advanced cultivation.
Privet - (Ligustrum vulgaris)
Rhododendron* - any
Shortleaf Pine - (P. echinata)
Spruce - any
Washington Hawthorne - (Crataegus phaenopyrum)
White pine - Any

*In a hot dry climate


BAD CHOICES IN GENERAL

Fukien Tea - Fickly (can work)
Palms - With the exception of Sago Palm, which is kind of cute actually, it’s a lost cause. You might as well display a pineapple as an accent planting. I've been battling a Mexican Fan Palm for 10 years or so. Leaf size reduced to about 1/2, but it still looks funny to me.
Serissa Tea - Fickly (can work)
True Cypress - Leylandi & Italian Cypress. No real cultivation problems, I just don't think these make good bonsai in general.
Willow - I'm sure someone out there has a nice willow tree. I'd like to see it
Walnut - I'm sure someone out there has a nice willow tree. I'd like to see it

*Any other "nut tree" with big compound leaves, with the possible exception of a Chinese Pistache, which is the only tree around here with reliable fall color


EASY FOR BEGINNERS

Amur Maple - (Acer ginella)
Bahuina - they grow like weed... they grow so fast that I had troubles of root bound in about 3 months... well, but they are forgiving trees... they will grow from nothing, but the other con, is that they will hardly make it in a different style than cascade...
Bald cypress - do well in the heat but are kept in water. swamp, pond, or Montezuma
Black Cherry - (Prunus serotina)
Bouganvillia
Burning bush - (Euonymous alatus)
Celtis Maple - will tolerates the heat as well but can be a little fussy about water and fertilizer
Chinese Elm - Very good in many ways
Chickasaw Plum - (Prunus angustifolia)
Crepe myrtle
Cryptomeria - Nice-looking tree, easy to style. Relatively forgiving.
Elm - Seiju, Hokkaido, Chinese,
European Olive - small leafed variety looks best, little ollie for fruit
Ficus - popular "indoor" bonsai. Small leaved Bennys, nerifolia, nitida, retusa,
Gingko - easy
Hornbeam - these are slow growing and tend to be a bit more expensive.
Trident Maple
Hophornbeam - (Ostrya virginiana)
Japanese Honeysuckle - (Lonicera japonica)
Japanese maples - good in Seattle, bad in Phoenix. Isn’t hard to start with, but remember not to give it to much fertilizer.
Juniper - the "perfect" bonsai conifer. Stays green even when it's dead. On the downside, it stays green even when it's dead! This is a high light tree and will usually not do well inside. Foemina, nana, prostrata, San Jose, sergeants (kishu, itoigawa) Californica. (J. procumbens "Nana" and "Green Mound")
Liquidamer - orientalis especially.
Montezuma Cypress - does well in the heat but is kept in water
Mulberry - Impossible to kill.
Olive - I doesn’t know how they cope in the snow, but nothing else seems to worry them....
Peach - (Prunus persica)
Persimmon - (Diospyros virginiana)
Pomegranate - Real easy, good fruiter, great flower
Saju Elm
Sugarberry or Southern Hackberry - (Celtis laevageta)
Trident Maple - will tolerates the heat as well but can be a little fussy about water and fertilizer
True cedars - Atlas, libiani, brevifolia, and deodar
Virginia Creeper - (Parthenociscus Cinquifol0ia)
Winged Elm - (Ulmus alata)
Wisteria - Grow like weeds
Zelkova - love full sun and heat


SOME RELATIVELY EASY FLOWERING BONSAI:
Crabapple
Hawthorn
Cotoneaster

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