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Old 24-Jan-2007   #11
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As regards the question relating to the necessary number of photos, a well-designed database will allow this number to be flexible rather than static. Its been a while since I've had any formal study of db design, but I think a rationally normalized db (and therefore well-designed db) would offer the flexibility to add as many (or as few) pictures as the user sees fit.

As for specifics, ...I don't really have any. I'm not really going to be using the software and haven't used any of them in the past so I don't know what I'd be looking for. I was just offering suggestions from what I imagine the user would want. As someone who's done a little coding & db design in the past, I thought it'd be a good project to weigh in on.

Re: the show-stopper, see the paragraph above. If I was going to use the software I'd seriously prefer it not to be MS-centric, though if it was a wonderful product I'd be more inclined. ...but this gets into the ideological and I doubt most here are interested in my computing ideals.
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Old 24-Jan-2007   #12
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I was talking about this with some friends who are even more into growing cactus than I am and they said they use this program... You might get some ideas for it here.

http://www.cactusbase.net/

Ths was what friend said about it.

"This is the coolest thing you could have for keeping track of your plants down to the
most meticulous and rediculous of details. A must have if you have a large collection or just like to keep great details. Infinite photos possible, details of the pot it is in, temperatures, days, months, years, parentage, qualities, propagation, fertilization, collection #'s, etc.... These are just a few of the details possible for keeping official records of your plants. Many thanks to a certain member who shall remain nameless for passing this extremely valuable resource on to me. The cost is a bit to swallow but well worth it if you have a serious collection to keep track of. If you are a purchaser of Epi-Viewer, this is what it should have been AND you even get a reply if you have any questions about your new database. I have no "interests" in this company or individual who made this; I just felt the need to pass on the info about this really cool database. I'd have to give this 4 1/2 stars out of 5 possible. Only reason I leave a half is just in case it gets new upgrades that make it even better.

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I like the look of the interface on the link in Bonsai Outlaw's post. Here are a few things I would like to see on software:
1. The ability to sort by different criteria: Watering needs, soil composition, pruning practice, etc.

2. The ability to sort photos easily and quickly

3. A thumbnail window to make it easy to choose the specific tree you are looking for
It seems that the cactus software mentioned offers information about cultivation of many species...this looks like a huge job, especially with bonsai since succulent is only one small subgroup of the art.
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[/QUOTE]Worse, it allowed for no modification for support information, such as specie. I found no listing for Chinese Elm, and absolutely NO provision was made to allow addition to, modification of, or deletion from the species list. TOTALLY unacceptable, IMHO.
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I found this out after 5 minutes working with what otherwise looked rather promising, and was forced to abandon the use of it. A default list is good, but you should be able to add anything as well.

I would also like to see a summary page that is easily printable. The main reason is that we can keep detailed information in the software, but if a tree is sold that page can be printed and given with the tree (or, if you want pages to write notes on while outside and then transfer the info back to the software at a later time). Might not seem like a big issue for many, but it would be great for us at ob.com.

Let me know if I can help in any way.
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One thing I would like to see is the ability to copy/archive posts and artices from the internet that I may find useful. So far I have done this in word. My concern is that every now and then a really terrific article or how to post in a forum comes along, but as time goes by, and web sites change the information gets lost into the ether. So I want to make my own personal archive of this. If I can add it to a magement tool, by species or design or something like that, I can centrally manage it all.
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One thing I would like to see is the ability to copy/archive posts and artices from the internet that I may find useful. So far I have done this in word. My concern is that every now and then a really terrific article or how to post in a forum comes along, but as time goes by, and web sites change the information gets lost into the ether. So I want to make my own personal archive of this. If I can add it to a magement tool, by species or design or smething like that, I can centrally manage it all.
OOOOhh, what he said! But then I think, "What if he cuts and pastes misleading or incorrect information and I am not there to correct it?" Sorry, I guess you just have to drop the project.
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I haven't had any experience with bonsai software and would be willing to test it as a "ground up" user who can follow instructions and make comments on that.
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Sound Off Design Specifications Coming

Based on what I've heard from you all, what I've seen in other similar software, and what I understand to be required in bonsai management, I've designed a database structure prototype.

What I'm going to do is produce a written description of each component in non-technical language.

After I describe each component, I will attempt to describe, again in non-technical language, the relationships between these components. This part could get a
get a little complex for some to follow. Please do NOT hesitate to ask questions. The only stupid question is the one you refused to ask out of some misplaced sense of embarrassment. I will try to keep it understandable.

To keep things easy to manage, read, and comment about, I'm going to make a reply for each component and for each relationship. This will result in a large number of replies, but it strikes me as better than one, long, hard to decipher reply.

Wish me luck. I will post replies as works in progress.

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Sound Off Definition of Terms

Here is the first entry. One must define the terms of the discussion before anything else. Hence, the list below. Please, please ask questions about this list before we proceed any further!

Basic Terms of Discussion

Data - Any item of raw, unfiltered, unorganized , the output of either emperical or deductive process(es)

Information - Data organized in any fashion, most especially for reporting purposes

Database - A highly organized method of storing Data in Related Tables (see below), facilitating its manipulation and transformation into Information

Database Field - The description of a storage location for a data item; the description defines the location's name and type/size

Data Types - Text (sized), Memo (large, but unsized text), Number (varies sub-types/sizes), and Binary Large Object, aka BLOB (for storing images, etc)

Database Record - A collection of associated Database Fields

Database Table - A structure identifying a collection of Database Records and their indeces

Relationship - The definition of how and where Database Fields within one Table connect with equivalent Database Fields in a different Table

Linked Database - A Database, potentially stored in a physically separate location from the primary Database, at least one of whose Tables are Related to Table(s) in the primary Database

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