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Old 21-Feb-2007   #1
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Sound Off BMS Sudden Left Turn!

I would like to propose a radical left turn for the TreeSpecies table.

I have received permission from Harry Harrington, the author of Bonsai4me.com, to use his Species Guide. I would like to abandon all previous efforts with regards to the design of TreeSpecies (including the related FixedLists), and substitute the text in Harry's Species Guide.

Any objections? Silence is deemed consent. Complain now or forever hold your peace.
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Old 21-Feb-2007   #2
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OK by me

ps Brian can you post a link to the download site again and or put it in your "Sig"
so we can find the latest versions easily

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...can you post a link to the download site again and or put it in your "Sig"
so we can find the latest versions easily
I have made it so, sir...
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Book Example

Here's an example...

Does this do it for you? None of this is really searchable or sortable, does this matter?

Common Name: Trident Maple

Botanical Name: Acer buergerianum

Description:
Grown in many parts of the world as a 'Street' tree due to its tolerance of pruning, dry soil and air-pollution, these attributes also make it excellent material for bonsai culture.
Native to Korea, China and Japan, Trident Maples can reach heights of 10metres or more.
Acer buergerianum differs from its Acer palmatum relatives by virtue of its 3-lobed leaves (as opposed to the 5 or 7-lobed leaves of A. palmatum).
Leaves are dark-green above and blue-green underneath, turning beautiful shades of orange and red in Autumn.
New buds are a red/brown colour. Bark is buff and flakes revealing a soft-orange underbark. In maturity the bark becomes darker.
Trident Maples are a very vigorous species, particularly when grown in the ground and are very suitable for field growing to develop large trunks suitable for bonsai.

Position:
Full sun. Provide light shade for weak-rooted specimens during hot summer periods to avoid leafburn.
Thick trunked Trident specimens are often planted in relatively shallow bonsai pots that may dry quickly during the Summer; these should also be provided with some shade from the afternoon sun.
Roots have a high moisture content and are susceptible to frost damage. Frost protection should be afforded when temperatures drop below -5°C. Avoid organic/peat based soils as the cycle of waterlogging and frost can damage the roots.

Fertilizing: Feed once a week for the first month after leaves appear in the Spring to help strengthen new growth. Thereafter feed every two weeks.

Repotting: Annually as buds extend. Use a very free-draining soil mix. Tridents have very strong and vigorous root growth that is very suitable for the creation of good trunk flare and nebari. Tolerant of aggressive root pruning.

Styles: Acer buergerianum have powerful roots and are particularly suited to root-over-rock forms. Suitable for all forms except formal broom with single or multiple trunks in all sizes.

Pruning:
Allow new growth to extend to 2-5 leaf pairs/nodes and then prunen back to one or two pairs of leaves (depending on a position on tree) throughout the growing season.
Keep on top of the most vigorous shoots in the apex and upper branches to stop them becoming too thick and weakening the lower and inner branches. Continued pruning of these apical areas will distribute vigour throughout the tree.
Prune all branches back hard after leaf-fall or in late Winter. Removal of large branches or trunk-chopping should not be carried out in early Spring as this can cause excessive sap loss.
Trident Maples are very suitable for defoliation and leaf pinching techniques. With defoliation and increased ramification of the branches, leaf-size can be reduced dramatically.

Wiring should be carried out with care as bark marks easily and branches thicken quickly.
Trident Maples are very easy to approach and thread graft new branches and roots. However, given their tendency to backbud easily and continually, it can be worth waiting for an appropriate bud to start developing before resorting the grafting.

Pests and Diseases: Aphids, caterpillars, scale insects, mites and leaf-scorch.

Propagation: Easy to propogate from seed, sow outside as soon as ripe. Air-layer in late-Spring. Take hardwood cuttings in Winter, softwood cuttings in Summer.
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Old 21-Feb-2007   #5
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Ok Brian, the link on your signature finally worked for me I went in and now a couple of questions.

1. Why is the images in each tile larger than the tile?

2. When I went to soils page ( as I promised) it gave me a message that the path wasn't valid and that I need to be connected to the server.
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Ok Brian, the link on your signature finally worked for me I went in and now a couple of questions.

Good, glad it worked.

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1. Why is the images in each tile larger than the tile?

I don't understand what you're saying. Could you take a screenshot and attach it to an explanatory message?

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2. When I went to soils page ( as I promised) it gave me a message that the path wasn't valid and that I need to be connected to the server.
On the Main Menu, there is a path for where the photos DB, BonsaiPix.mdb, is located. Find the database, paste the location in the text field, and click "Save" to the right of the text field. That will solve the problem. BTW, I am eliminating that issue entirely for the next release.
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Brian...

re: Harry's Species Guide...

Looks good to me, however, being in the US, and being an old geezer, it would sure be nice to have temperatures referenced in "F" as well as "C"...

And, are Harry's temps for "potted" or "in ground" plants? It takes more than one example to draw a conclusion.

Had to ask...

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Looks good to me, however, being in the US, and being an old geezer, it would sure be nice to have temperatures referenced in "F" as well as "C"...

Well, this is being set up to be an international resource. Since the USA is the only place in the world which still refuses to use the metric system, and mainly old folks which can't/refuse to change, your are in the distinct minority, everything considered.

I'm sorry, but I have to develop to meet the needs of the majority. Everything is a compromise.

Moreover, I am utilizing and quoting Mr Harrington's work.Perhaps he would consider your request favorably.

It would be entirely improper for me to edit his work, except for spelling errors. As a result, some of the word spellings and phraseology are distinctly British. I don't intend to change a thing.

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And, are Harry's temps for "potted" or "in ground" plants?
I have no idea. Contact Harry on www.Bonsai4me.com and ask him.

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It takes more than one example to draw a conclusion.
Go to www.bonsai4me.com/SpeciesGuide/SpeciesIntro.html
and see what you think. Therein is the content I am utilizing.
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Question A few questions....

First - will this info be part of the database, that is "stand alone"? (not linked) So we don't suffer from "missing website" disaster?

Second - can we modify an entry for a species if we want (actually, it's usually genus with lists of some of the species included)? I don't particularly need to search or sort this info (descriptive text is fine), but I might like to customize it to my collection....From your example - I might go in and put the temperature degree F in there in () just so I don't have to think about it. That's minor, just an example...another more pertinent might be Attila's very detailed birch pruning directions (similar to what is in Mr. Harrington's list but more explicit - right now, I need explicit!). A third change would be to add a species that Mr. Harrington didn't put in his text. American beech? I don't blame Mr. Harrington for not including it in his Fagus entry - he made mention his genus/species database is written from a UK/European audience' viewpoint, and American beech certainly is more difficult of the beeches (not the 1st I'd recommend for bonsai), but I am intrigued with doing North American natives, and I'll probably do one eventually. I'd like to add any specific info on them when I do. American hackberry in the Celtis entry, American Linden in the Tilia text, etc.

Finally - can I add a genus/species that is not represented at all? Two examples, Persian Ironwood (Parrotia persica) and Jack Tree (Sinojackia xylocarpa, a Styrax cousin). No, they are not hypothetical. My Persian Ironwood (not a hornbeam ;-) went into a training pot this past spring. The Jack tree is young nursery stock I just found last Oct - I'll probably put it in the ground for a few years (any time now). I am sure others have species they want to add. Tropicals like Black Olive (Bucidas spinosa), Buttonwood (don't know this one off the top of my head), etc.

I don't mind sharing any new info I put in - with the understanding that I'm not a tree expert, so whatever I come up with is going to be researched from other sources. My personal experience with any particular tree is going to be something less than 5yr at the moment - I can't give y'all the benefit of 30yr trying something - yet. (Note to self: Keep track of sources & references!)

For the record - Harry Harrington's species info on www.bonsai4me.com is **VERY** impressive. Great pictures, great info.... I mean no disrespect in the above requests - but my interest in this software is 1st & foremost to be specific to my collection.... If I want a general bonsai resource - I've got lots of books, or I can go look at great websites like www.bonsai4me.com.

Oh - one more thought. I think with this turn in the software, "TreeGenus" (also usable as Cultivar/Variety) disappears as a searchable entry? Your thoughts on where best to put cultivar name specific to a specimen now? I've got two Acer p. "Butterfly" trees and a bunch of other Acer p. trees, all will be tagged with the TreeSpecies Acer p. Is there any way I can sort out just the two "Butterfly" cultivars (as an access-to-data-records-quickly issue)? Juniper fanatics will have a similar issue with all the J. chinensis cultivars....
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