BMS Relationship Hierarchy Diagram

BrianP03103

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Ravenna

Hi Brian,

just wondered: do you want to give the option to enter pictures of soil or why did you link soil components with photos? Also it is not clear to me: what did you link with acquisition sources. In a way I thought that the hierarchy in access should actually be sorted differently. Though obvioulsy for us as users the specimen is the main interest it doesn't correspond to the access hierachy.

That would be acquisition source linked to soil, fertilizers, containers and specimens. Now on the access overview you intially showed you you might get a better overview if you place the soil, fertilizer, watering, light tables etc in the middle and one side "what should be" i.e. the links to the species table and on the other side the links the "is table" of your specimen tables. Just mentioning that as I tried to look at your access tables but there were so many lines crossing that I couldn't really make out what is happening there and I am not really sure with this table either.

I am sure that unlike me there must some real computer buffs on here and may be they might be prepared to have a look at that and discuss it with you. I just wonder whether you should give them more time for it. I really don't have any experience building data-bases but I just get a sense sometimes that you rush ahead before the step beforehand is clearly thought through. Because of the nature of how communication is done here and the time that people can spend on this this may take longer than it would if you did it in a professional setting. But may be that is just me. As I said I have never built a database so please don't take offense. I think it is great what you are trying to do here.

Ian_Homer

Brian,

If I may be so bold

This is fine for anyone familiar with relational databases, but this is far too complicated for most here and you will get little feedback when the information is presented in this manner.

What most will want is a simple "index" system, whereby they have a single record for each tree. That record then lists Photographs, Tree Type, Source, Size, Pot, Soil, Historical notes on maintenance etc.. with some free fields for notes and other things like Show Results.

The system should then be able to patch together reports as requested like...

List all my Elms... List all Trees in Rectangular Pots..... List all trees re-potted last year (enter date i.e. 2006) etc... etc...

Have you looked at any software that is currently available and seen where they are weak or could be improved?

I feel it would be better to get a basic grasp of the essentials and get that beta tested, then offer tweeks and upgrades that will import the already entered information but offer more facilities later.

I admire that you are trying to get to the "ultimate" system, but I think we need to take a step back and people will divulge more of what they actually want.

The initial burst of enthusiasm from many here, shows there is a market, but it will wane if the system is not "user friendly" and seen as being "simple" to operate and maintain. We are after all, mere Bonsaists and not Computer programmers.

JMHO and please do not see it as critisism in any way of your great effort.

I just hope this post will encourage a few more to give you the feedback you desire.

(By the way... it is certainly comprehensive as shown above)

Best Regards,
Ian.

malik

If styling and pruning are the same in this chart, then i have no problems with the structure.

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PatArizona

I think that you need to differentiate between prunning and styling...

Styling generally includes pruning...but they are not the same thing.

When working on raw nursery material, I prune/trim superfluous dead wood, branches, etc. Styling doesn't start until after this preliminary pruning.

Then, styling will start and likely include some pruning.

Once styling is finished, guess what? Here comes maintenance pruning...forever more!

So, I ask, how can pruning and styling be the same thing?

Pat

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BrianP03103

Currently, Styling includes Trunk Cutting, Pruning, and Wiring...

http://forum.bonsaitalk.com/showthr...ling#post186155

I am open to a more descriptive word than Styling, if you offer one...

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BrianP03103

Thank you for making this reply shorter!

Currently only Soil Components, though I could link Soil Mixtures to Photos if you wish.


Currently, Specimens and Containers.


Sorted? How?


Actually, there are three essentially equal trees: Specimens, Containers, Soils.


What do others think.


I'll try to give it another shot...


I'm sometimes uncertain as to whether or not that would matter. It seems that getting feedback is like pulling teeth. Sure, people (not you) bitch and moan when they see something they don't like, but never offer a suggestion as to what they do want, either before or after they complain...

Oh, you called it right. Frankly, all the "You're doing a great job, Brownie" doesn't mean squat if I'm not being provided the resources (feedback) I need to get the job done. I'm asked "So when will this be done?", and also "Just wait until they get around to giving you the feedback you need." As should be obvious in the recent threads, even if I do wait, people don't bother to read what's already been covered, ask the same questions that have previously been dealt with, and still don't give me any more meaningful feedback!

Yes, I'm frustrated and a little angry (not with you)!

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PatArizona

G'day Brian...

By the way Brian...mucho gracias for the great work you're doing.

My post was in response to what Malik posted: "...If styling and pruning are the same in this chart...".

My point is that pruning occurs pre, during and after styling.

To say that "...styling and pruning are the same..." is not accurate.

Have a good day.

Pat

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THE ONLY WAY: Always remember, and don't ever forget, that whatever you read here is not cast in concrete... the intent of any advice is to help. In no way should you feel that I’m saying that my way is the only way…heaven forbid! I've seen far too much of the "my way or the highway" attitude in bonsai as well as in other areas of life.

BrianP03103

Are these better?

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