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Old 25-Sep-2004   #1
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Is This Advice Legit?

I asked how I should winter my tree on another forum. It usually gets about 20 degrees Farenheit at night during winter in my area. Right now its in the 50s-60s every night.

Anyways, here was the advice I got:

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You could over winter this same tree very simply by removing it from the pot, say around now, and planting it in the ground (atop a slate or board to keep the bottom from rooting further). Again, the tree would need light for the winter so the closed box is out, but that is an option for deciduous trees in your climate. The mulch and leaves route creates a nest for rodents complete with a food supply (your tree) so I don't go there unless I was digging and covering (with a couple of old windows) a sun pit, and then I'd use rodenticide to back up my defenses (my cats are not as reliable as they used to be...).

http://www.usna.usda.gov/Hardzone/hrdzon3.html


This is the link its from: http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpB...topic.php?t=211

I was just wondering if this was a good idea to everyone else. I have been reading up on this for some time now, and am very confused as everyone has different opinons. I got real messed up with cold frames or something. Its frustrating! This sounds pretty good to me, but it wont start getting real cold at night til mid-late october.

Im just worried about frost and snow and stuff. Thanks for everyones input!
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Old 25-Sep-2004   #2
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Yeah that works, but it goes a bit indepth for your hardiness zone...You say it only get about 20F? If your tree is in a training pot, you can easily take it outside, dig a whole, and put your tree(still IN the training pot) in the whole and fill in the edges. If you want a little extra root protection, throw some mulch down. Also, make sure that its protected from wind, because thats what is the REAL cold problem. Wind Chill. Snow won't "hurt" your tree. Insulates it in fact.
Remember, wind protection.


Edit: I looked up NW NC for hardiness zone for you. I think your at about a 7 for hardiness.

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Greetings Deflation,

I don't know if you are Gary or who, but there's a big disparity in the temperatures quoted there in Celsius and here in Fahrenehit. There (Gary) said -30C, which is -22F, not the +20F you're discussing here. I think you'd need more than a hole in the ground in that case, but I don't have that kind of winter here. Personally, I would hesitate to put any valued bonsai in contact with the earth here because of the danger of pathogens.

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It usually gets about 20 degrees Farenheit at night during winter in my area.
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Look at the Hardiness zone map. Find North Carolina, look at the top left corner. Its something like a zone 7. 5-10 F min Temperature.
I was in a hurry, but I still think it doesn't get into the negatives in N. Carolina. It only does here in Wisconsin for 1-2 weeks...
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im deflation on the topic i showed. It gets to about 20 at night here in the winter normally.

If that is not a good idea, is there anything else? I have an unheated garage, but it never gets below 50-45 degrees in there. My screen porch is the next option. I have a spot where there is no wind, but there is no sun either, and its the exact same temperature as outside. There is normally no sun here in the winter, but there are light clouds.

Sorry Breefe, but what map are you talking about? Sorry.
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that map... find where you are and use the key on the right to find the corresponding zone #.

Seeing as it doesn't drop into the negatives, pretty much any semi-sunny spot with wind protection will do fine. If Matt comes back he'll be able to clear this all up if he has a problem with it.

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What species of trees are we talking about? .. for me it's not just how cold it gets but how long it remains 20f. Knowing the species you are growing will help with more specific wintering instructions.
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its a small juniper. i got it about a month and a half ago. here are some pics i took if that helps:

http://djmansion.250free.com/bonsaitree.html

So are you just saying to leave it in the pot in a spot that gets some sun and no wind?

Id also like to add that up until around December 12th last year, it was in the 60s during the day and about the 30s-40s at night, with a lot of sun.
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Deflation, you won't have any trouble keeping the juniper outside in your climate. Just set the pot on the ground and put a few inches of mulch over the pot. Situate it where it will be out of the wind when the cold fronts come through.

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OK, thanks. I appreciate all the help guys!
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