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10-Jul-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Cedars
hay I am new to bonsai and am very eager to learn. I've reasearched till I am blue in the face but still have a few questions.
First of all. I have big cedar trees all over with really soft needles. How long does it take a trees needles to get soft? Can I strip my tree at any time? Many more Q's to come |
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11-Jul-2002
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I'm not exactly sure what you mean by soft. Bonsai often have shorter foliage than yard and garden trees, which can make needles somewhat more rigid.
Shoots form on cedar in late spring and emerge soft and tender. They can be plucked away a month or so later when the growth has hardened enough. You want to remove approximately 1/2 of the strongest buds, maybe a bit more if they are very strong by plucking out the center. It should pull off cleanly. If it tears, it is too early, and if it comes off whole a bit late. Less vigorous parts of the tree can have a bit less growth removed. This can also be a good time to think back the apex and cut back to developing buds that will be easy to recognize. Hope this helps, if not, maybe let me know more specifically what you are asking. Regards, Matt
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12-Jul-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Cedar
I posted a Question yesterday and here is a picture. The branch on the left is of a cutting from a mature Cedar and on the right of a sapling that I have in training. My Question is, How long will it take to get my needles to the mature state they are in on the cutting? If they get that way at all.
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12-Jul-2002
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Widen: It looks to me that your foliage will mature as your root mass matures. This can take some years so just keep watching for the mature foliage.
Also I got your message thanks.
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12-Jul-2002
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Whidn,
Please don't start redundant threads in different forums to continue an idea. It makes ideas impossible to follow and it is time consuming cleaning it up. BTW, I don't know what kind of cedar you have there, but it certainly looks like a needle juniper. Some trees have different mature and immature foliage, but this looks strange. Regards, Matt
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12-Jul-2002
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new thread
Hay dont be so hard on me LOL. Sorry about the new thread I am new to the forum. I will try not to make that mistake again.
I think its an eastern red cedar or something like that. We have them growing wild all over. They get about 50 to 70 feet tall and have real red wood. The carpenter bees love to nest in the cut limbs. only the cut ones though they dont go after the live wood. |
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12-Jul-2002
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cedar babies
That is strange, I thought it was just me, i work (sometimes) near this house surrounded by a semilarge "cedar" forest with foliage just like on that mature tree you are showing. I decided to try to collect a baby tree and the only thing i could find, in a field of at least two hundred trees was one stinking sapling, and it had that same sharp spruce type foliage as on your baby tree picture. I am not sure and then i go and read this http://www.bonsai-bci.com/species/cedar.html and i get even more confused, and if you read herb gustafson's "miniature bonsai" he talks about and includes a picture (pg. 83) of juniper foliage looking like both of the types of foliage in your picture, and the effects pinching has on this particular situation (though the paragraph is short and not very specific)
Do any of you union workers have a picture of a true cedrus that can be shown? bad bonsai always become good firewood. The strike is over.... for now mp |
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13-Jul-2002
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bonsaiTALK Master
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Baby Cedars
You know I looked in the immediat vicinity of my big trees and couldn,t find anything either. All the ones I found were on nearby fence lines and places where birds like to rest. I read that birds eat the seeds and poop them out unharmed.
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17-Jul-2002
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cedar leaves
pic someone took of lebanon cedar leaves.
I have a feeling that "cedar" you have is either a juniper or spruce. Does anyone know if this pic is representative of most true cedar tree leaves? mp |
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17-Jul-2002
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Yes! that is a true cedar. The plant in question is actually botanically a juniper,
Regards, Matt
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