HEY! i use those dead routines! i've heard people say before, when i did martial arts, "those are dead routines you practice john." so that's where i got it from. it fits in with the term cookie cutter that implies that the routines are old=dead=decrepit. if they where dead, or i ever thought they where, i must have resurrected them today because i used them to make a penjing
i wasn't trying to say that's what someone had said but pretty much what some people were thinking. but i'm not a mind reader either so who knows. erg i knew i should have applied la se fair when i saw this thread
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