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this should never have gotten personal.

we are all qualified to make observations. education or tree collection? let your words speak for you not your education, trees, or background.

for the most part, from what i've noticed, people new to bonsai are treated politely here. even the heavyweights were beginners at one time. i think what Al was getting at is people need to take criticism as criticism and not as insult. i think what glider was getting at is that there may be some elitist attitudes that discourage newcomers to the entire artform of bonsai. lets keep things to the point.

elitist attitudes exist and (as we have all seen) there is no way around that. if a beginner gets a pathetic tree with zero potential, chances are if they stay with bonsai for a number of years they will come to the conclusion that the first tree was by and large a waste of time. you might even say that harsh criticism would have done them a favor! saved them years of wasted time (and miles of wasted wire), teaching them a fundamental rule of bonsai! instead they wine and give up?? it takes patience to grow bonsai so if a person has not they were perhaps predestined to give up.

11-Sep-2007	#25
valuehorse bonsai hotboy Join Date: Aug-2006 Location: Columbus Ohio, German Village Country: usa USDA Zone: 5 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 133	this should never have gotten personal. we are all qualified to make observations. education or tree collection? let your words speak for you not your education, trees, or background. for the most part, from what i've noticed, people new to bonsai are treated politely here. even the heavyweights were beginners at one time. i think what Al was getting at is people need to take criticism as criticism and not as insult. i think what glider was getting at is that there may be some elitist attitudes that discourage newcomers to the entire artform of bonsai. lets keep things to the point. elitist attitudes exist and (as we have all seen) there is no way around that. if a beginner gets a pathetic tree with zero potential, chances are if they stay with bonsai for a number of years they will come to the conclusion that the first tree was by and large a waste of time. you might even say that harsh criticism would have done them a favor! saved them years of wasted time (and miles of wasted wire), teaching them a fundamental rule of bonsai! instead they wine and give up?? it takes patience to grow bonsai so if a person has not they were perhaps predestined to give up.