Mcspeed

At a couple of points in this mess, and another sites, I defended Will and others, and thought it was a thin skin, and you did it so we will do it back, like a bunch of children issue, but I have had some about faces, or at least rearrangement of sentiment.

It's time for a hole bunch of people to GROW UP, put the G Darned egos in a sack and burry them. Ron this is NOT aimed at you, I think you have acted the most sensible of the bunch, and I am sorry that you experienced what you did, and hope you will realize tha most of us out here feel the same way.

Carl, most times you have shown a pretty good sense of modicum, but now you join the game of antagonize the latest victim of the games. If you want to stay neutral, as you have indicated in previous posts, and other sites, then you should really stay neutral. Based on the "words of Will" that you brought on his behalf so he could throw himself on a sword, as an apology to the many, I think Ron's showing up with a brief, and non malicious reply is his due. Please leave it at that, and spare us the witty repetouire, I think we would ALL appreciate it.

This is not the only site this garbage has been going on, and it drove another sites administrators, and moderators to cheat, lie, and work behind the backs of the users of the site. Most of what has been going on is petty nonsense that should be stopped without dragging it out in public. I realize for the site admin. that isn't always easy to catch right away, but kill it when you find it and remove the privalidges that come with joining, call it closed and be done with it. If someone is continuously misrepresenting themselves when putting in membership applications, I have to believe there are recourses available that would put an end to the horse poopy that we are all being so odiferously being exposed to.

Some of the above words have been altered to protect my membership from being removed for the use of improper words, I think you can figure which they were.

And I do have a small defense of some "name" people that did offer some very good words of wisdom for the MANY people who need them, and got pissed off by others that knew far less that those they argue with. It is this, NEWBIES and apprentice enthusiasts, match your tone and line of argument to something you can speak of with first hand knowledge, otherwise the internet bonsai forums will be taught by you. If you understand that, you will realize that this is Not a good thing.

Vance, Ron, Will, Carl, Brent, Chris ( no included inferance or implication to any of the afore mentioned horse hockey ) I thank you all for your participation in these forums, and appreciate all the great information you have shared with us, more than not, have benifited from your help.

Thats my rant, and my suggestion is to ----

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Lock this, and Cut the Crapola! This is a forun to learn about Bonsai, not fly a plane into the deck of your enemy.

Bill