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"Yes your right there is no rule that says they all need to be a pine/informal shape.But if you follow the rules thats what you get,those rules where written to aid a beginer in the simplistic design of a formal/informal conifer design and for no other purpose."

Oh Bull, the "rules" are a set of principles meant to frame a natural image opf a tree that doesn't look dorky or awkward. The rules only try to incorporate into words the visual language that the eye understands. Species makes no difference. Only someone with such a very strict interpretation of them comes to that conclusion.

Follow them-- or not, or use them when they're needed. If you don't, you will probably wind up with informal upright trees, only uglier and messier than if you didn't.

19-Oct-2005	#19
rockm bonsaiTALK ArchMaster Join Date: Oct-2003 Location: Fairfax, Va Country: USA USDA Zone: 7 AHS Heat Zone: ? Posts: 4,561	"Yes your right there is no rule that says they all need to be a pine/informal shape.But if you follow the rules thats what you get,those rules where written to aid a beginer in the simplistic design of a formal/informal conifer design and for no other purpose." Oh Bull, the "rules" are a set of principles meant to frame a natural image opf a tree that doesn't look dorky or awkward. The rules only try to incorporate into words the visual language that the eye understands. Species makes no difference. Only someone with such a very strict interpretation of them comes to that conclusion. Follow them-- or not, or use them when they're needed. If you don't, you will probably wind up with informal upright trees, only uglier and messier than if you didn't.