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Originally Posted by rutledge
We first have to understand that all artistry is based on a few simple formulae...These fundamentals are based not on arbitrary ideas, but on basic human psychology, perception and understanding....
Some of these fundamentals are constant – having a basis in ordinary human traits. Others are transient or ephemeral – based on specific cultures, environments, contemporary trends, or even vary with the specific elements involved in the work of art....
Artistic fundamentals are not arbitrary, but rather more closely akin to natural law. We do not obey these laws of perception and understanding because we choose to, but because it is natural for us to....
....This sort of debate is usually irreconcilable and the only remedy is for all involved to have similar levels of artistic understanding....
Kind regards,
Andy
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I hope that I, too, can comment here without stirring things up. I have avoided quoting you in total to try to focus on a few points. I hope I have not altered your message by selective quotes.
Part of the misunderstanding between a trained artist and untrained people like me, may be simply the definition of the word "fact" (I know, it sounds like I'm off on a language thread again...). You've spoken of "artistic facts", and I must admit I wasn't aware that there might be different kinds of facts. I work off of a dictionary definition of "fact" as: something that is undisputably, and demonstrably true.
If we agree on that definition (and I'm not completely sure that we do), then I must ask if the fundamentals to which you refer, are also what you consider to be "artisitc facts". If so I'm having trouble understanding why some are constant and more akin to natural law, while others are ephemoral and cultural? I'm expecting that a fact (2+2 =4) is not ephemoral or cultural, but demonstrably true across cultures and throughout time. Perhaps some fundamentals are facts, and some are not?
I promise I'm making a sincere effort to understand your position, and I will not debate this point endlessly. However, I would hope that the concept of artisitc fact could be explained to a reasonably intelligent person untrained in the arts. (Of course, I may not qualify....admit it, you all were thinking it already...lol)
Brian