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As a person that has been often referred to as a person that, "critiques work with words like a bulldozer and is not apologetic to its artist", I find these points valid. I love to give my opinions about someone elses work, and will continue to do so at every chance I get, when I feel its appropriate. I have had many here ask for my personel opinion of their work, both publicly and in private. I'm not saying we abandon the critique portion of the learning process, i'm just saying we should give it the same reverance we have afforded many other things we have done here in the past, and have seen on other forums.

Why do we not allow critique during the contests in the past. This could have really had a positive/negative effect. but... so be it

Why does AoB have a seperate link to the comments portion of its articles. You get to read the article in its pure form with out the commentary that dilutes the actual message. It also keeps threads from going off the deep end which have no beareing on the post in the first place.

If one were to look at the format in its present condition, it is easy to see how this would actualy be good for critique. The page is set up with the formal display at the top when you go there, below that is a sub forum where the tile of the tree could be for comments about the tree.

I understand perfectly well what goes on in each and every thread that is started here. I understand that there is always the possibility that a thread will take off in a manner that was not intended. I just feel that what happened in the thread with Mike Page's tree was unfortunate and added nothing to the presentation of the tree. The ensueing learning curve about how to critique a tree may have benificial to some, but was a distraction to what the tree was posted there for in the first place.

I feel that this should be treated just like any bar fight, "take it outside"

In the last photo I posted to the Formal display, I recieved some comments both good and bad. I am a big boy, and can take the bad with the best of them. I fully uderstood the bad and showed my limitations to why the display was the way it was. Still, I think the message came through about what it was I was trying to say. It is hot in Fresno, and this makes me think of a cool place.

I had no really distracting remarks made in that thread. I had no arguments, no thread hijacking taking the thread to totally out of this world places. It stayed pretty calm.

If this were to happen in my thread. I might be tempted to exchange the picture with a steaming pile of cattle dung. That would be appropriate for what happened to that thread, and I think that stinks. But I'm one guy, who cares what I think.

Thanks for listening,Al

6-Sep-2005	#5
bonsaial1 Greybeard Join Date: Aug-2001 Location: Fresno, CA Country: USA USDA Zone: 9 AHS Heat Zone: 13SH Posts: 5,248	As a person that has been often referred to as a person that, "critiques work with words like a bulldozer and is not apologetic to its artist", I find these points valid. I love to give my opinions about someone elses work, and will continue to do so at every chance I get, when I feel its appropriate. I have had many here ask for my personel opinion of their work, both publicly and in private. I'm not saying we abandon the critique portion of the learning process, i'm just saying we should give it the same reverance we have afforded many other things we have done here in the past, and have seen on other forums. Why do we not allow critique during the contests in the past. This could have really had a positive/negative effect. but... so be it Why does AoB have a seperate link to the comments portion of its articles. You get to read the article in its pure form with out the commentary that dilutes the actual message. It also keeps threads from going off the deep end which have no beareing on the post in the first place. If one were to look at the format in its present condition, it is easy to see how this would actualy be good for critique. The page is set up with the formal display at the top when you go there, below that is a sub forum where the tile of the tree could be for comments about the tree. I understand perfectly well what goes on in each and every thread that is started here. I understand that there is always the possibility that a thread will take off in a manner that was not intended. I just feel that what happened in the thread with Mike Page's tree was unfortunate and added nothing to the presentation of the tree. The ensueing learning curve about how to critique a tree may have benificial to some, but was a distraction to what the tree was posted there for in the first place. I feel that this should be treated just like any bar fight, "take it outside" In the last photo I posted to the Formal display, I recieved some comments both good and bad. I am a big boy, and can take the bad with the best of them. I fully uderstood the bad and showed my limitations to why the display was the way it was. Still, I think the message came through about what it was I was trying to say. It is hot in Fresno, and this makes me think of a cool place. I had no really distracting remarks made in that thread. I had no arguments, no thread hijacking taking the thread to totally out of this world places. It stayed pretty calm. If this were to happen in my thread. I might be tempted to exchange the picture with a steaming pile of cattle dung. That would be appropriate for what happened to that thread, and I think that stinks. But I'm one guy, who cares what I think. Thanks for listening,Al __________________ Real men don't wear coats with "happi" in the title.